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TORB and the Dom Perignon Scam (23 Oct)
The original email came in under the name Johnson J but the Hotmail address was from john_johnson20XXX@hotmail.com so it looked like this guy didn't know his first name from his surname name. Given that John Johnson is an Anglo-Saxon name, it looked very suss. The text of the first email was as follows:-
I am writting to know if these items are in stock.
Kindly get back to me with the prices with stoc availability as below :
This looked smellier than a week old dead fish that hadn't been refrigerated. For a start, his spelling is worse than mine, and that's saying something. Secondly, who would be insane enough to buy a large quantity of that stuff without trying to get a discount? No one! Also, only a mug would submit their credit card number on the web without it being secure. I did a search on the internet to see how much Dom cost in the UK and sent the following response.
Dear John,
Now bear in mind, its about midnight in the UK, but this guy isn't sleeping; it takes about 2 minutes to get the following response.
Hi ric,
Now that is interesting. He did a check to see where my email originated, not something a normal person would do. I responded at 10 minutes past midnight UK time. I am in Australia but have contacts everywhere, so can arrange delivery in the UK. The price of £74.95 includes VAT and delivery. So Total price is £1798.80
It didn't take long to get a response. (The numbers below were in full but I have changed some numbers to XXXX's)
Thanks for ur reply. Ok, kindly proceed and charge my 2
Visa accounts for the payment of the wines. Due to my Credit Limit, split the
Payment on the 2 cards.
This fish is starting to smell worse and worse. Charge the bill across two cards! I responded asking for the delivery address. Here is the response.
You are making the delivery to same address.. OK! This looks interesting. He is in a hurry to have the payment processed. Why one has to ask oneself. Also, the question regarding payment status is another interesting question; and the bolding of the copy is his. (From now on, any bolding in his replies are as per his originals.) All of this had happened in about 30 minutes, so I decide to let things calm down and see what happed next. One hour and six minutes later, another email from him, and he is not happy that I have not responded. The whole text, except for the introduction and signature is all in caps.
"AM STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU WITH THE PAYMENT
STATUS .. HOPE THE TRANSACTIONS HAS BEEN DONE ." I apologised saying I had been away from my desk, but that everything had gone through an hour previously. Two minutes later I get another email.
Due to my trip down to Ireland - Dublin tomorrow. I will
be glad if possible you can make the delivery to the below addres for me please
..
More interesting and even more fishy! Its now after 2am in the UK and suddenly he is off to Dublin and wants the wine delivered to a third party! I respond by telling him that I can’t see that being a problem and will advise tracking details when I have them. A few minutes later I hear from him again.
Thanks a lots... my last question is regarding the
delivery day and time. This bit of fish is really starting to stink! He keeps spelling the same words incorrectly so they are not typos, and his English appears fractured, he's guaranteed not to be an Anglo-Saxon and his mate at the shipping address looks to have an African name. Nigeria anyone? Its now about 3am in the UK and I respond, "It will be Thursday morning in the UK in a few hours and I will contact my people then. To be safe I will arrange for delivery on Friday, that way I know it will get there on the right day. The address looks likes a commercial address, so I would have thought there would be someone there during business hours." Will he suss that that I am onto him with that comment about it being commercial premises? I doubt it. The response is immediate.
Yes it will morning in a few hours ....I will be glad to
have the Wines dispached and delivered tommorow starting from 11am to 5pm
Business Hours which is possible for your Delivery Van Driver. Curious; he can afford to spend about US$4,000 on Frog Bubbles but takes a coach from London to Ireland! He must be afraid of flying. He is also desperate to get deliver in a few hours, so to try and throw a bit of a spanner in the works to see how he reacts, I told him the stock was located in a warehouse outside of London, that’s why I cannot guarantee Thursday delivery and it may have to be on Friday. The response was
Alrite. Its clear to me now. You can proceed on the
delivery on Friday morning to the mentioned address pls.
Hook line and sinker! He's thought he has caught a fish, but its the other way round. Our friend can almost smell his ill-gotten gains. That night, I received another two emails from my new best mate telling me he had decided to postpone his trip and collect the wine himself at the original address he had provided. I looked the address upon the Google Maps and the work address he gave me of his friend is only a couple of miles away. Coincidence? I doubt it. I should have mentioned that a bit of previous digging showed that his mate Samuel works at a freight forwarding company that specialised in freighting goods to Africa. Are Mr John and Mr Olajide one and the same person?
On Friday morning local time there was yet another email telling me that he had decided to take delivery himself, but even more surprising there was an email from a Terry Mikel, also in slightly fractured English, wanting to buy 48 bottles of Dom. This time it was addressed to me and the email looked remarkably similar to the original from Mr John. Me thinks he is getting greedy; very naughty he is!
I had fun writing back to Mr John and asked him why he was being so paranoid sending me three emails telling me the same thing. I advised him that everything was OK and that an employee of my UK contact would be dropping the wine off on Friday afternoon. Then I dropped the hand grenade. I told him I had just received another email from someone else wanting to buy 48 bottles of Dom and thought it was a bit strange to get two requests like this in 24 hours. Let the bastard sweat a little over that one whilst he works on a strategy to handle it.
Johnson mailed back about 8 hours later (Friday morning GMT), he had probably been asleep. He denied any knowledge of the email from Terry. In the email he blamed "computer problems" for the three previous emails from him, stating he was having a problem with his PC and that sometimes it sends a single message twice due to the computer settings. The only problem with that statement is that the three messages, although almost the same, had different subject lines and slightly different text.
Now the fun begins. Johnson is expecting delivery on Friday at 4.30 GMT. When I woke up this morning (Saturday morning Sydney time,) this email was waiting for me.
ITS EXACTLY 4.30PM ...WHILE I AM SENDING YOU THIS MESSAGE
REGARDING THE DELIVERY OF THE WINES. I decided to let him sweat for awhile. It is interesting to note all three addresses that he has provided as possible drop off points for delivery are all reasonably close together and the centre of the three addresses is the freight forwarding company that ships to Africa.
Meanwhile, there was a response from our second scammer Terry, confirming he wanted the three dozen bottles of Dom that I had offered him, at a cost of £3060 (approximately US$6,000) and wanted to know how much extra for the freight. Although he said "I wait your urgent reply" my guess is that it will take him 24 hours to respond. He will drag it out over the weekend so that the card details are not given to me to quickly, which will minimise the time between theoretical charging of the card and delivery; he has to take the weekend into account.
If you look at the map below, two of the addresses provided by Johnson are marked. The third address is just below West Ham Park. London to a brick says the address that I eventually get from Terry will also be in this area.
After giving it some thought, I decided to have more fun with Johnson. In is last e-mail to me, Johnson said,
Alrite.... Yes, I hard about it on the BBC news. The one thing I cannot work out in all of this is the guy's fixation with courier names and tracking numbers. Nevertheless, I e-mailed him back telling him the Dom would be delivered on Tuesday by the staff, not by the Courier. No doubt on Tuesday it when it doesn't arrive there will be another e-mail. At that stage I will tell him the credit card company has been in contact advising that the payment had been cancelled, and that I had provided copies of all correspondence to both the police and the card company. No doubt that will be the last e-mail we exchange.
As I had predicted, on Sunday morning there was no e-mail from Terry, who is
dragging it out over the weekend, and as soon as Monday comes, he will suddenly
be in a hurry. The most astounding thing is that the London/Metropolitan Police showed absolutely no interest in catching these guys. As it was breaking, I rang the London Fraud Police and they told me it was a Metropolitan Police matter, asked me for the address, and then provided me with the phone number of the local station. I rang the "local nick" and explained what was going on, specifically telling them that the guy could be easily caught. They were not interested. They fobbed me off to an internet site so that I could report all the details via email, and eventually my information would be looked at!
So if you wonder why crime in the UK is rife, here is a good reason. The police are so under-resourced that even when a criminal can be taken, other things take precedent, leaving the bad boys to do what they do with no fear of conviction.
As expected, on Monday night local time (Monday morning GMT) there was an email from our second scammer, Terry Mikel.
Good morning, kindly taken payment from my credit card as
I instruct you below and reply me back immediately with payment confirmation and
delivery details e.g. consignment no. and courier name.
I sent an email to Terry asking why he wanted the charge spread across the three
cards and why it was to be shipped to a third party.
(His response, "I want you to split the payment on the
three cards because of the Credit Card limt and also am not available until
after 3 weeks...... There are a number of things which makes this fish stink even more putrid if that is possible, and notice now that it is Monday morning and the clock is ticking, the matter as suddenly become urgent. Firstly, if you have a look at the credit card numbers provided by Johnson and those provided by Terry, the only difference in the five credit cards is the last four digits. Coincidence? I think not! I wonder what provider is theoretically issuing these Visa cards. If the cards are not genuine, then how is the approval being granted? If a provider is issuing them, they would have to be as thick as two bricks to not know what was going on; but then they are not out of pocket, the merchant is the bunny that wears the loss.
Doing a search of Terry's address shows there is a heap of property for lease in that street. Chances are he is in a B&B or serviced apartment. The delivery address, surprise, surprise (not) is home to a number of freight forward companies. Also, the name of the recipient looks like it is of the same ethnic origin as the guy that Johnson uses. You can see from the second map, as predicted, Terry is resident (green marker) in the same area as Johnson (just north of West Ham Park and the second near Charlton Park.) That comes as no surprise. His recipient of the goods is a little out of the way (top left of map -orange marker) but its not exactly across town.
Now if I can figure this all out, I am at a loss to understand how the local police can be so inept and incompetent, or so uninterested that they can't or won't do anything to try and even stop these thieving bastards. Sure, they are going to have a hard/impossible time getting the guys doing the con in Nigeria, but they could certainly stop, or at least make things bloody difficult for those involved in the scam at the London end. I also have to wonder what the hell the credit card company is not doing (but should be) in this case.
It seems that our mate Terry Mikel is a continuing, serial offender and has been
operating under the same name for some time. This week I exchanged emails with
the Credit Controller of a reasonable sized UK company that deals primarily in
business to business transactions. They were taken for a few thousand pounds by
Terry.
Update - December 29
Thanks to Dennis at Flagship Wines for this one. A new variation on this theme is now doing the rounds from Ben McMean - and for once they are not using a Hotmail account, although big-orange.com is still a free web based service.
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Update - February 22
The latest email on this scam is sooooo sloppy. The guy doesn't know what his own name is! It has been sent from Jones Harrison but they sign their name J. Moore. As an added switch, they now offer either Visa or Mastercard as payment.
These lowlife scammers have now hit the gold old US of A. Today I received this email.
From: Jimmy Jatt [mailto:jimmyjattXX@yahoo.com]
Link to More Wine Scams Link to More Scams - Non Wine Related
Feel free to submit your comments! From: Jay Cain10/22/2007 21:15:58 Seems like an awful lot of work on your part, Ric for very little return. Don't know if it ran in Australia, but you remind me very much of the Angela Landsbury character in "Murder She Wrote" (who was, of course, a shameless Americanized knock off of Miss Marple).TORB Responds: Hi Jay, It has been on here on TV numerous times. As far a "return" is concerned, or lack there of, so what's new. I write these articles because I enjoy them and hope people will like reading them. That's all the return I want. From: Bruce Ward10/23/2007 02:28:56 You know Ric,Things might have been different if Sgt June Ackland hadn't retired from the Sun Hill nick!(The Bill, ABC tv) I can't believe the attitude of the U.K. police - I had a similar situation (local) and found the Victoria Police excellent. Cheers TORB Responds: Hi Bruce, Agree totally! It was a pity they didn't give the case to Reg and Tony. They are good at nicking villains too. (I wonder how long before they are finally written out too.) From: Mandingo10/23/2007 20:46:08 With Christmas just around the corner, what sort of deal can you do on a case of Dom........From: Jason Kugel10/23/2007 22:47:56 Excellent detective work Ric!It's nice to know that Champagne scams are global. I'm a wine buyer for a wine/liquor shop in the Detroit, Michigan area and you'd be glad to know that scams abound here as well. Although typically not with African involvement. Our scammers are largely local with local intentions. Don't they know it's much easier to shoplift the goods from the store? It's a lot less hassle...until the cops show up. I've enjoyed your Irregular Update for some time now. Keep up the great work! Oz wines are the best! From: Declan10/24/2007 00:25:45 Hi Ric,Had the same sort of scam a few months back when I worked for a great wine store but it was for 48 Dom and 48 Cristal. Decided to have a laugh like you and follow it up....must have been bored that week! They wanted to pay by cheque, ended up getting emails from UK (dodgy email address) , wine to be delivered to a wedding in Spain, cheque arrived from an American bank but was posted in the Netherlands. They do go to a lot of trouble. I wonder if anyone has ever fallen for this.....doubt they'd admit it! From: Eaglegrafix10/24/2007 08:45:18 Yes people fall for this and get taken. Internet scams are quite a lucrative business, that's why they are so prolific.Like the saying "There's a sucker born every minute." and as Ric points out, the police are not active in chasing them down. It is a numbers game. They are doing this all over the place and a certain percentage pays off for them. Thanks Ric for the detail to how this one works, it may save someone down the line from falling for it even if it is not Dom. From: Peter Kaplin10/24/2007 18:15:45 Ric , good work I say, It was an very interesting read , I want more .From: Damo10/25/2007 23:43:52 Great read Ric, I get a few of these types of emails and had always wanted to see where it went. Keep up the great work. DFrom: Matthew Moate10/29/2007 04:53:27 Hey Torb, We get these sort of e-mails all the time. I had a guy that wanted me to use www.highwayfreight.com to ship his wines. I think he was laundering money or using dodgey cards. He wanted 20 cases of wine for his daughters wedding. Even when I gave him a freight rate through one of the most reputable wine & spirits freight forwarders that would get there 24 hours earlier, direct to his door and GBP 500 cheaper he insisted on using highway freight but couldn't give me any local contact details. It was a bit of fun but I now constantly delete about 20 of these e-mails a week. Glad you had a chuckle and a bit of a laugh... MattFrom: nick wainwright11/02/2007 10:29:02 Just received the email below.......just ran a google search on the address because it sounded fishy.....and "bingo" found your story. Saved me doing all the same sort of stuff!. We get at least one of these a week....and I agree with you that the UK police are totally uninterested in the "thieving bastards"Thanks for the work! Dear Sales, From: TORB11/02/2007 13:50:17 This is absolutely bloody ridiculous. Ten days later Johnson John is still operating using the same name. Its about time the Metropolitan Police in London changed their name to The London Keystone Cops! ..... only they probably can't do that as its an insult to the efficiency of the original Keystone Cops.From: Paige11/04/2007 19:55:29 We also get these emails all the time to our San Francisco shop. The only fun I had was asking one such scam artist (who claimed to be a deaf woman and so could not speak on the phone) to please fax through a copy of her photo identification, requiring that the name on the i.d. match the name on the card and bear the same address where the wine would be shipped. That pretty much stopped it cold.I just delete them now, but it is curious how the Champagne scam emails go in spurts and each spurt follows a nearly identical template. We also get a lot of requests to send wine of various sorts to Nigeria. Have never had a wedding wine scam though! Good on ya for having such fun with it. From: Simon Johnston11/08/2007 10:10:29 Wish we had seen this before Mr Terry Mikel ordered a couple few thousand pounds of stock from us ! Surprise, Surprise, all three credit cards have now bounced after originally being authorised by Cardnet. Stock has gone and so has Mr Mikel !! Police do not seem to be the least bit interested !!!!From: Craig Grout11/09/2007 18:51:29 Ric,I'm an Aussie living in the UK and to say the UK cops response to internet crime is pathetic would be something of an understatement. The last article I saw on the issue stated that the UK's internet fraud squad consisted of exactly one member (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/102055/). Nothing like throwing lots of resources at a problem! At the moment all internet banking fraud in the UK is handled by the banks - if you ring the police they will refer you back to your bank to investigate. There were a few rumblings about changing this but until the police increase their resources it doesn't look like much will change. I know people complain about merchants taking payment before shipping goods but with scams like this going on a merchant would have to be crazy to let the goods out of the door before the funds were in his/her bank account. Craig G From: Jason Kugel11/13/2007 23:57:08 Oh yeah! How could I forget about the deaf woman with the horrendous spelling? Don't the scammers know that they may have better luck with the Asian market considering the current Champagne shortage and high pricing in the US right now?From: John Gerrard12/04/2007 16:15:32 Hi,Our shit headed mate has scammed me too. He ordered a Brother PR600 embroidery machine for 5395.00 pounds (A$13,000), and asked to pay with 4 different cards. As I have a good business we don't normally use our merchant card terminal that often and I felt that if the card is authorised then I must be safe ( with today's technology). But the scam is exactly the same as the others. Before putting the transaction through, I even asked Mr Terry Mikel for a copy of his passport and driving licence and he did email me the copies and they looked fine to me. I have now had a charge back of the funds by HSBC credit card company and they take NO RESPONSIBILIY for this transaction. When i got the CID involved they confirmed the copies of the license and passport are both fakes. I will see the CID in the morning to see what they can do.???????? From: TORB12/04/2007 16:34:42 Hi John,Thanks for this information. Sorry about your financial loss. What is even more galling is that if the police had got involved when I approached them, they could have arrested this guy weeks ago. And if they did their job properly, the fake documents could have been confiscated and if he is an illegal immigrant, they could have thrown him out the country. From: Nancy02/15/2008 12:06:56 I think this is hilarious this guy Ben has been contacting me. For the last 3 weeks. He has told me that he is handicapped and that he needs me to help him with his accounts payable. See I am not stupid so I have been researching his name and the email address. So right now I find myself playing with him in the same manner you have.He's sending me a check so that I may buy the equipment needed here. The funny thing I guess he's hoping I will do his fraud for him. He states that I will need to purchase a printer, 250 checks and a laptop he claims he is sending me, and a check for 4200.00 to get started. He states he is in New York and that he will be going to the UK in a couple of days because his aunt is sick. He also states that I should cash the check when it's received and mail him whatever is left. This is just too funny. He must not be familiar with American banks there all caught up on this kind of fraud and you see this I know because I work for a top bank. Here in California I am waiting for the check; if it comes and its drawn of my bank I will make sure to review this information with my branch manage so that we are able to prevent our customer any loses. I also have connections at different institutions so it doesn't matter where it comes from some will know it's fake. Take care and believe me you were so down to the detail. It helped me and maybe others to see that this is fraud. Thanks again. From: blair02/19/2008 07:54:56 Here is another one.I am writting to know if these items are in stock. Kindly gets back to me with the Cost Prices. 1.. Shure SM58 LC 50 x give prices each Payment through my Visa/Master credit card account as Visa/Master Awaiting to hear back from you . 37 Erwood road From: Sally Nichol03/02/2008 13:49:28 I THINK WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME GUY HERE!!!-------------------------------------------------------------------- Attn:Customer service/Sales
From Jon: 29 April 08
Great article, I have the same chump trying to buy some CCTV off me now. I've
just received the split card email. He's using Mastercards this time, but with
the same address he tried with you. I'm going to let him stew for a bit and see
what happens. Copyright © Ric Einstein 2007
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