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Damned if You Do - Screwed if You Don't (15 August)
My good email mate Murray in New Zealand and I had recent email exchanges about a comment I made in my Wine Australia 2006 Overview in relation to the number of bottles of red, which were sealed under screwcaps, that I found to have reductive characters. I won't go into the technical details of the exchange, but Murray was kind enough to put me contact with Alan Limmer of the Stonecroft Winery in NZ who knows a thing or three about reductive characters in wine. Alan was able to provide a simple explanation to a complex issue, but as I was to find out, if true, the result has far reaching implications for producers.
Regular readers will know that I hate what corks do to wine, and the current level of TCA and oxidised wine corks produce is unacceptable; and whilst I have an open mind about screwcaps, I am yet to be convinced they are a universal panacea, especially for red wine. Therefore anything, be it positive or negative, that provides more meaningful information about the use of alternative closures and their effect on wine is important. That is why I started my correspondence with Alan. Here is what he said.
"The sulfide issue is very interesting. I wrote an article that covered the topic
in full in last years annual tech issue of Aus/NZ Grapegrower/Winemaker but the
issue of 'post bottling' sulfides is particularly interesting.
It certainly did, but unfortunately it posed another obvious one. Given that the gating factor to the amount of thiols is the amount of oxygen in the wine, what can the winemaker do to reduce/eliminate the problem. e.g. is there a simple test that can be carried out prior to bottling to see what is likely to happen when bottled under ROTE, or is it pot luck? How do wineries determine how much oxygen and head space is required at bottling time? Obviously the bottle size is predetermined and so is the quantity, so how do they try and minimise the problem. Alan responded with this comment.
"This is a common misconception -- how much oxygen
should I give my wine at bottling to prevent this effect. I have seen
screwcappers dosing with O2 at bottling, or not inert flushing at filling, or
fiddling with headspace etc. The AWRI did some headspace trials with results
that were predictable.
I don't know how deeply you want to go into this. (TORB's Comment: Stick with it folks, its gets a little technical here but it's not that hard to understand and worth the effort.)
The kinetics of the thiol production are governed by
several factors - most of which are basically out of the winemakers hands.
They are;
You can screen for the precursors; there is a commercial
service for this in the US, but it is not exactly simple. As a result of my
article on how we might otherwise possibly mitigate this effect, I have
instigated some research work here in NZ on this topic (I chair the research
program for the NZ industry). Traditionally the cork with its higher ingress
rate has largely spared us from this event. As we move to lower ingress
closures, the effect becomes more significant - which you may now be able to
see."
Let the boffins continue with the research.
Feel free to submit your comments! From: Sarah Walton09/18/2006 18:17:42 Thanks for the article 'Damned if you do, Screwed if you don't" - It helps quite a bit. I tried the 2004 Rosabrook Chardonnay late last year, and loved it, and had been recommending it. Tried a bottle last night, and it has developed quite a woof, and it had me baffled, as I found the wine very clean upon first trial. I take it now, that the wine is "screwed", and we can expect no further change for the good? What happens chemically after the process 'peaks' at about 18 months?From: TORB09/18/2006 18:20:38 To ensure I got the right answer, I asked Alan Limmer who emailed back this response. "The kinetics of what happens after the peaking of the sulfide bite (I assume this is the woof), are determined by the oxygen ingress rate and SO2. As the SO2 declines over time, so the rate of disulfide reduction will too. This in turn, means the rate of thiol production will also decline. But the oxygen ingress rate remains constant. Eventually, the rate of thiol production will decrease to match that of the oxygen ingress, and slowly the sulfide notes will dissipate. Long aged wines under screw cap do not usually show this sulfide note. This is why understanding the SO2 mechanism as a causal factor is so important. It explains why, under cork, if we do see any of these notes, they are more transient, that's because the SO2 drops quicker under cork, and the O2 ingress is an order of magnitude or so more than screw cap. So, the character dissipates so much quicker, if it ever appears. The downside is the wine under cork will show oxidative notes earlier.From: Adair Durie09/18/2006 18:21:27 The reductive characters in screw-capped wines – I better now go put all my faith in DIAM now! Seriously though, I wonder if aerating/decanting/letting sit a reductive screw-capped wine would do the trick for most cases… although, after 4 or 5 days of being opened, there was no change in the sulphur fault of a screw-capped 2004 Austin’s of Barrabool Riesling I had at home recently, which was finally poured on my BBQ as a cleaning agent.From: TORB09/18/2006 18:22:16 Although I thought I knew the answer to this one, once again I asked Alan for his thoughts. "Decanting stinky wine is interesting. In my experience this character is still in the wine the next day, but over a few days does dissipate. So, I doubt decanting is going to do much. Decanting is likely to remove some H2S - it is the most volatile sulfide in wine. But H2S is not formed by this mechanism. If there is any H2S in the wine, it was left there at bottling.What does remove this character is a coin in the glass. Traditionally copper, but in fact these sulfides react strongly with any metals. So, to see the difference, you can try a coin in the wine for five minutes or so, and compare the two. The one with the coin should have a cleaner fresher palate. This is a slightly imprecise method to approach the problem, but it does work. I have seen plenty of wine makers do it." From: Hal Seow09/18/2006 18:23:20 I initially thought that this issue was one of those "Spagetti grows on trees", an April Fools -"come in spinner"- joke, but wow it hits like a sledgehammer. Here I am fully besotted with buying all my wines with Stelvin seals to avoid the experienced cork adversities and now along comes this! What to do.??Alan Limmer seems to have closed any door of escape in when he says even wines bottled clean of sulphides (supposedly), all wines will contain disulphides and thioacetates which can/will degrade over a relatively short period of time i.e. months to produce particularly smelly sulphides aka THIOLS, and supports this with evidence from AWRI closure trials and anaerobic experiments. This raises many queries; some of these are-: Firstly, are all type of wines so affected ? i.e. white, red ,sparkling, fortified or does the quantity of alcohol, co2gas, and other preservatives mitigate. Many bottles of port for instance sealed with wax do not display obnoxious sulphide notes nor am I aware that sparkling wine (particularly sparkling burgundy type sealed with crown seals initially) have any sulphide notes. Is there a magic formulae? Is it coincidental that there have been many wines produced and sealed under screw caps that show no detraction from developed Thiols? Your tasting notes in the last newsletter on O'Leary Walker"s 2002 Reserve Shiraz (under stelvin) did not appear to suffer any reductive/sulphide characters as you rated it Excellent ,so is it hit and miss. Will you be more guarded in making recommendations in the future re wines under stelvin than usual or will you be more searching for traces of sulphides in wines than otherwise. Will these comments by Alan Limmer ignite the cork lobby into escalated banter. And who will pick up the tab when a consumer complains that a particular wine is unacceptable because of it's Thiols pong? The wine producer or the Screw Cap maker for producing an item that under Mercantile law is not fit for the purpose.???" I should imagine that many comments will be provoked by this matter and you will have some reading to digest so could you simply advise how I can avoid From: TORB09/18/2006 18:24:06 Unfortunately all wine is potentially subject to the problem. Unfortunately just like cork taint, it is a crap shoot. The AWRI trials showed the problem with white wine initially. In terms of sparkling wine (especially red); when they are under crown seal, most of the good stuff is on lees for some time. As the reductive stink normally peaks around 18 months after bottling, it is quite probable the smell is already dissipating but the time the wine is disgorged, and then sealed with a cork. The disgorging process might also reduce the stink and introduce a tiny amount of oxygen into the wine, which will overtime, eliminates the smell.As far as port sealed in wax is concerned, as I understand it, the wax may slow the rate of oxygen flow down, but it does not completely eliminate it, and in most cases these wines are drunk many years after they have been bottled, which means any stink has been dissipated by the oxygen. I doubt the cork lobby will jump on this news; their spin doctors have proved to be quite adept at coming up with stories that don’t let facts inhibit their message. As far as who will pick up the cost for wine that has been returned because it is undrinkable, the winery will have to pick up the cost, not the screwcap manufacturer, because the balance of components of the wine have combined with the lack of oxygen to cause the fault. Of course, it is worth while noting the reductive characters are unlike he’d be found in white wine that has just been bottled, or at the other extreme, red wine that has been sealed for many years. As to how you can avoid buying wines are that likely to suffer this problem, there is no way of knowing, however wines with high Ph, high disulfide, high thioacetate, and high SO2 are much more susceptible to the problem. There is one bit of good news on the horizon. The science of screwcaps, in reality, is in its infancy and new technical advances are being made all the time. It won’t be long before producers will be able to order screwcaps that will allow differing rates of oxygen transmission into the wine. From: Wayne Ahrens09/18/2006 18:25:14 I thought about commenting on your first comment, didn't get there but now am compelled. I think the single biggest contributing factor to this problem is the preparation for bottling phase. We are blessed with a completely professional contract bottling business close by so I am spared the heart burn of bottling ourselves. Having said that the first thing Ray asks when I turn up with my wine is, What do you want?He will as a matter of course sparge most wines with nitrogen to get the dissolved oxygen down to an acceptable level. My argument is that having spent the past year getting my wines stable, why would I fundamentally change one parameter immediately before bottling. I am always interested to look at the trials that say " the same wine was bottled under cork and Stelvin", I think wines should be prepared differently depending the closure that will be utilised. Alan certainly knows far more about this subject than me. I just feel that some of the problem is caused by cleaning the wines up too much pre-bottling because that is what people are accustomed to doing for corks. We do maintain a minimal SO2 regime during cellaring to minimise the total sulphur load on the wine. What I am saying here is we eliminate SO2 additions prior to the end of malolactic ferment as these additions will contribute eventually to the total SO2 when they don't help with the eventual free. We add on average about 60 ppm of total SO2, 3 x 20 ppm adds. I am talking exclusively of red wines in this context. Up until now all of our wines have been bottled racked straight from the barrel with no adverse affects, touchwood. I also read with interest your bit about winemakers passing off as "perfectly sound" wines with obvious Brett. Copyright © Ric Einstein 2006
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